Funny how the Ravager goes from like S- tier (S-, maybe even A because it still has weaknesses against certain enemy types including most bosses and armors and has no AoE) when speedrunning to D tier in slaughter maps. But no worries, the upcoming nerfs will make it an E maybe, just slightly above the pulverizer at E- and the combat shotgun at F.
It's so OP guys, I think.
If anyone wants to argue otherwise, tell me at what point should I prefer the Ravager to any other orbit (or ground) alternative, as I'm swapping to it and it's uncharged, other than very isolated 1 on 1 scenarios with Vagaries or Baron Leaders? I'm specifically talking about super hard encounters, Slaughter maps, slaughter mode, even some campaign encounters. Because I'm unable to find a good use case for it. Maybe I'm just bad at the game, who knows? If the argument is "I'm lazy and can't combo with my melees or my spear, so I prefer holding left click", don't even bother. Yes, it's probably the best gun if you do that, but why would I do that? I can achieve better results by using my kit properly.
Maybe when I'm 5000 hours in, I'll finally understand why it's "OP". If it's so OP, beat my hardest preset with it. Get a WR with it, do a Max Sliders run. Doesn't have to be UN, just Nightmare. You will see how terrible it becomes. Wow, it's incapable of killing the Cosmic Elemental before he one shots you with his lost souls and there's no way to do anything about it, because even though orbit gives you mobility, it doesn't do anything in this case? And the Ravager cannot take out the lost souls??? Impossible, it's OP, so it can do anything!!!
What is that??? 300 ammo to overheat an armored Archvile's armor on 50% damage to enemies? When the accelerator does that after 2 orbits??? You've nerfed it for propaganda!!!
OMG??? I started orbiting and the Agaddon STILL HIT ME WITH HIS MELEE ATTACK?? AND I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE I HAD TO DASH BEFORE STARTING THE ORBIT?? I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE INVINCIBLE!!!
OMG I’M MID AIR AND HELPLESS BECAUSE I ORBITED IN AN ENCOUNTER WITH MORE THAN 10 ENEMIES AND I’M EXPOSED TO ALL THE ATTACKS NOW??? NO WAY!!!
Speedrunning will return as soon as the game is fixed. I believe the meta will shift significantly with the next update. I have high hopes the Pincushion buffs can replace the Ravager.
There have been massive route adjustments, like smarter BFC usage, much faster Master Arena clearing and Berserk being usable for half of Uprising, including the Henchman and the Vagary Leader due to a new skip.
Aiming at sub 1hr30 for 150% Speed and ~1hr55 for 100%.
After I achieve my goals, I'll start working towards max sliders UN.
That moment when you realize you can't downpatch after the Ravager nerfs to regain the lost time on Xal'Goroth, because the Daggers were bugged on him before 💀
I wanted to do a Ravager vs Pulverizer comparison video, but the experience has been so dogshit that I won't even upload the video anymore. Both weapons are complete ass in slaughter maps. And the Pulverizer was still much worse. The map itself was slaughterish but still nothing compared to what I usually do.
Basically, I had to do flail only so the Pulverizer gets a slight advantage. The Flail, if you didn't know, is the melee that charges the Pulverizer the fastest, even if it only hits 1 enemy. I completed the map with the Ravager on Nightmare 150% Speed. I had 6:13 left.
With the Pulverizer however, I had to decrease the damage to slayer to 50%, because it was literally unplayable. I could barely get through it with the Ravager. I set the damage to slayer to 50% and the pulverizer still lost by 3 seconds despite me standing in everyone's face and holding left click which is what maximizes its DPS. That's how bad it went.
The Pulverizer doesn't synergize with anything in the game. Melees aren't synergy, they're necessary for it to even work. And even then, using your Melee decreases its DPS, because you need to interrupt your firing, the same thing happens with the Ravager, but at least the Ravager works on its own. At least the Pulverizer loadout can gain DPS if you're not using the Flail. But it only gains DPS because it's shit. The Ravager has similar DPS with the gauntlets or the dreadmace vs without those in 1v1s because it's strong on its own.
The Orbit charges it, but what for? It does 0 at that range. It takes half a minute to kill a Vagary Leader with it, before I'm told it's good on fat enemies.
I have no idea how to buff the gun other than increase the charge duration and the damage and reduce the spread. All of these buffs would need to happen simultaneously.
And no, just because it can work in certain scenarios, it doesn't mean it's good. Too many downsides to not prefer the alternatives. Every weapon and loadout works in hypothetical scenarios, that doesn't mean they're all equal or good.
"Wahhhh but i like the gun." Cool, then go have fun with it but don't tell the WR holder with the only UN max sliders run in the world "you have no idea how to play the game" (yes I've received comments saying exactly that). You look like a flat earther. The Pulverizer is useless for both speedrunning and max sliders.
After my recent videos, I’d argue one has more reasons to ask for buffs for the Ravager rather than nerfs.
I don’t personally think it should be buffed but I think the movement speed nerf should be reverted entirely or at least loosened as it affects the base game too much where it’s already bad, while not affecting the DLC almost at all, except for some very limited use cases. Imo the movement speed penalty was already good enough prior to the nerfs.
If the Ravager gets nerfed and becomes useless I’ll be forced to downpatch if I’m speedrunning the game. I’ll have to deal with the game-breaking bugs which will wear me down fast, but I have no choice. And since I’ll be downpatching, I’ll be going for the first version of the DLC where the Ravager was actually overpowered. Right now I’m waiting for the new patch in hopes that at least some of the bugs are going to be fixed, but if they kill the weapon, it’s not going to be a competitive patch to run on.
There can be nerfs that don’t kill the weapon. If the damage is the thing that’s being nerfed, the weapon will become useless.
This reminds me of patch 2.0 when they killed the SSG. They re-buffed it in 2.1 because it became useless.
Also, the ravager is already one of the worst base game weapons.
All this will do is kill speedrunning and the weapon on the newest patch. The Ravager has too many downsides to be used unless it’s better than the alternatives. And you might think this is crazy, but its biggest weakness is the fact that you have to commit to it. This is also part of the reason it looks overused. Otherwise I’d prefer to swap to the SSG and the Accelerator every now and then, however I cannot do that because I must have the Ravager equipped and firing.
Let’s consider this scenario: combat encounter that ends with an Archvile, the Ravager is now nerfed but still the best against that particular enemy. Guess what? I probably cannot use the weapon on him, because I will not be using it prior to getting to the Archie. A charging Ravager will not be viable against the Archvile compared to a charged Ravager or an alternative. And if the Ravager is going to lose me more time on the other enemies then there’s no reason to use it. Sure if it’s charged it’s still going to be the best against an Archvile but overall it won’t be anymore. And again charging it from 0 on the Archvile won’t be viable. This is why the weapon’s biggest weakness is that you have to commit to it. If you don’t, it’s useless, because it takes a lot of time to charge, but if you do and it happens to not be viable for the entire encounter prior to the Archvile, then you should prefer the alternatives (usually SSG and Accelerator spam, which is already not much behind the Ravager).
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Funny how the Ravager goes from like S- tier (S-, maybe even A because it still has weaknesses against certain enemy types including most bosses and armors and has no AoE) when speedrunning to D tier in slaughter maps. But no worries, the upcoming nerfs will make it an E maybe, just slightly above the pulverizer at E- and the combat shotgun at F.
It's so OP guys, I think.
If anyone wants to argue otherwise, tell me at what point should I prefer the Ravager to any other orbit (or ground) alternative, as I'm swapping to it and it's uncharged, other than very isolated 1 on 1 scenarios with Vagaries or Baron Leaders? I'm specifically talking about super hard encounters, Slaughter maps, slaughter mode, even some campaign encounters. Because I'm unable to find a good use case for it. Maybe I'm just bad at the game, who knows? If the argument is "I'm lazy and can't combo with my melees or my spear, so I prefer holding left click", don't even bother. Yes, it's probably the best gun if you do that, but why would I do that? I can achieve better results by using my kit properly.
Maybe when I'm 5000 hours in, I'll finally understand why it's "OP". If it's so OP, beat my hardest preset with it. Get a WR with it, do a Max Sliders run. Doesn't have to be UN, just Nightmare. You will see how terrible it becomes. Wow, it's incapable of killing the Cosmic Elemental before he one shots you with his lost souls and there's no way to do anything about it, because even though orbit gives you mobility, it doesn't do anything in this case? And the Ravager cannot take out the lost souls??? Impossible, it's OP, so it can do anything!!!
What is that??? 300 ammo to overheat an armored Archvile's armor on 50% damage to enemies? When the accelerator does that after 2 orbits??? You've nerfed it for propaganda!!!
OMG??? I started orbiting and the Agaddon STILL HIT ME WITH HIS MELEE ATTACK?? AND I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE I HAD TO DASH BEFORE STARTING THE ORBIT?? I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE INVINCIBLE!!!
OMG I’M MID AIR AND HELPLESS BECAUSE I ORBITED IN AN ENCOUNTER WITH MORE THAN 10 ENEMIES AND I’M EXPOSED TO ALL THE ATTACKS NOW??? NO WAY!!!
Thank you for listening to today's schizo post.
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Speedrunning will return as soon as the game is fixed. I believe the meta will shift significantly with the next update. I have high hopes the Pincushion buffs can replace the Ravager.
There have been massive route adjustments, like smarter BFC usage, much faster Master Arena clearing and Berserk being usable for half of Uprising, including the Henchman and the Vagary Leader due to a new skip.
Aiming at sub 1hr30 for 150% Speed and ~1hr55 for 100%.
After I achieve my goals, I'll start working towards max sliders UN.
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That moment when you realize you can't downpatch after the Ravager nerfs to regain the lost time on Xal'Goroth, because the Daggers were bugged on him before 💀
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So many tools and weapons sound good on paper but suck ass in-game.
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I wanted to do a Ravager vs Pulverizer comparison video, but the experience has been so dogshit that I won't even upload the video anymore. Both weapons are complete ass in slaughter maps. And the Pulverizer was still much worse. The map itself was slaughterish but still nothing compared to what I usually do.
Basically, I had to do flail only so the Pulverizer gets a slight advantage. The Flail, if you didn't know, is the melee that charges the Pulverizer the fastest, even if it only hits 1 enemy. I completed the map with the Ravager on Nightmare 150% Speed. I had 6:13 left.
With the Pulverizer however, I had to decrease the damage to slayer to 50%, because it was literally unplayable. I could barely get through it with the Ravager. I set the damage to slayer to 50% and the pulverizer still lost by 3 seconds despite me standing in everyone's face and holding left click which is what maximizes its DPS. That's how bad it went.
The Pulverizer doesn't synergize with anything in the game. Melees aren't synergy, they're necessary for it to even work. And even then, using your Melee decreases its DPS, because you need to interrupt your firing, the same thing happens with the Ravager, but at least the Ravager works on its own. At least the Pulverizer loadout can gain DPS if you're not using the Flail. But it only gains DPS because it's shit. The Ravager has similar DPS with the gauntlets or the dreadmace vs without those in 1v1s because it's strong on its own.
The Orbit charges it, but what for? It does 0 at that range. It takes half a minute to kill a Vagary Leader with it, before I'm told it's good on fat enemies.
I have no idea how to buff the gun other than increase the charge duration and the damage and reduce the spread. All of these buffs would need to happen simultaneously.
And no, just because it can work in certain scenarios, it doesn't mean it's good. Too many downsides to not prefer the alternatives. Every weapon and loadout works in hypothetical scenarios, that doesn't mean they're all equal or good.
"Wahhhh but i like the gun." Cool, then go have fun with it but don't tell the WR holder with the only UN max sliders run in the world "you have no idea how to play the game" (yes I've received comments saying exactly that). You look like a flat earther. The Pulverizer is useless for both speedrunning and max sliders.
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After my recent videos, I’d argue one has more reasons to ask for buffs for the Ravager rather than nerfs.
I don’t personally think it should be buffed but I think the movement speed nerf should be reverted entirely or at least loosened as it affects the base game too much where it’s already bad, while not affecting the DLC almost at all, except for some very limited use cases. Imo the movement speed penalty was already good enough prior to the nerfs.
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Actual OP weapon: Release day Impaler. Release day Ravager vs bosses.
The current Ravager doesn't even come close to that.
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What type of content do you prefer?
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If the Ravager gets nerfed and becomes useless I’ll be forced to downpatch if I’m speedrunning the game. I’ll have to deal with the game-breaking bugs which will wear me down fast, but I have no choice. And since I’ll be downpatching, I’ll be going for the first version of the DLC where the Ravager was actually overpowered. Right now I’m waiting for the new patch in hopes that at least some of the bugs are going to be fixed, but if they kill the weapon, it’s not going to be a competitive patch to run on.
There can be nerfs that don’t kill the weapon. If the damage is the thing that’s being nerfed, the weapon will become useless.
This reminds me of patch 2.0 when they killed the SSG. They re-buffed it in 2.1 because it became useless.
Also, the ravager is already one of the worst base game weapons.
All this will do is kill speedrunning and the weapon on the newest patch. The Ravager has too many downsides to be used unless it’s better than the alternatives. And you might think this is crazy, but its biggest weakness is the fact that you have to commit to it. This is also part of the reason it looks overused. Otherwise I’d prefer to swap to the SSG and the Accelerator every now and then, however I cannot do that because I must have the Ravager equipped and firing.
Let’s consider this scenario: combat encounter that ends with an Archvile, the Ravager is now nerfed but still the best against that particular enemy. Guess what? I probably cannot use the weapon on him, because I will not be using it prior to getting to the Archie. A charging Ravager will not be viable against the Archvile compared to a charged Ravager or an alternative. And if the Ravager is going to lose me more time on the other enemies then there’s no reason to use it. Sure if it’s charged it’s still going to be the best against an Archvile but overall it won’t be anymore. And again charging it from 0 on the Archvile won’t be viable. This is why the weapon’s biggest weakness is that you have to commit to it. If you don’t, it’s useless, because it takes a lot of time to charge, but if you do and it happens to not be viable for the entire encounter prior to the Archvile, then you should prefer the alternatives (usually SSG and Accelerator spam, which is already not much behind the Ravager).
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With you I feel alive…
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